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Permalink Reply by Khadga on May 11, 2011 at 4:43pm

All of my autoloaders including my tupperware striker guns have a frame thumb safety in 1911 configuration(down live/up safe). I waited for the thumb safety option before I acquired the M&Ps and XDms I love. My Glocks have the Comonoli installed. If the Boberg trigger is good, I'm willing to make an exception like I did for Kahrs and the Walther PPS I wish I never sold. I'd take the Boberg w/o the safety or never use it as the down safe/up live configuration conflicts with my preferred operating system and training.

 

As others note, a DA trigger can be excellent for target/competition shooting as can be seen with Glocks and wheelguns. I hate the DA/SA transition and haven't ever seen it executed well in any pistol. A good smith can smooth it out some, but the transition will always be an inferior system to a SA only or DA only in terms of human engineering. I deployed my CZ and AR-24 (CZ clone) in condition 1 when they were in the car/home defense rotation, but they're sweet shooting safe queen/ range guns now.

 

There's nothing the Sig or CZ is good for that I can't teach a user to do as good or better with an XDm for example.

 

Since the proposed Boberg manual safety conflicts with my operating system preference and training, I'd prefer to do w/o it or I'd leave it in 'live" mode all the time. If the trigger is a good DAO on par with the Glock, M&P, PPS, Kahr, even w/o my preferred thumb safety, the Boberg shorty will be the only autolader in consideration for a role currently reserved for snubby wheelguns unless the LC9 is a whole lot better pistol than the Ruger autoloaders I've fired in the past.

 

If a 1911 configuration thumb safety were an option on the Boberg I'd love it, but I don't know if or how it could be engineered and doing w.o is a compromise I'm willing to make if the Shorty fulfills it's exciting potential.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by alternety on May 11, 2011 at 7:40pm

I agree on the thumb safety. Up to fire is more difficult to operate. The thumb does not really want to work that way. And it is opposite so many weapons. And I really would like to use the safety.

I actually have a pocket pistol that does the same thing and I never engage the safety because of the awkwardness of the operation and that I am used to the opposite motion. Admittedly, I do not keep a round in the chamber on this pistol. I don't trust the internals not to fire if dropped. So the safety is sort of a non-issue on this weapon. One of the key points I have looked for is construction that prevents discharge from shock. I absolutely want to keep a round in the chamber.

I had a charging dog incident a couple of weeks ago. German Shepard, >50' away, down a 20' steep bank, and it was on me before I could even draw my weapon. It was called back by the owner with probably 1-2 seconds before a bite. I would never been able to load a round.

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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on May 13, 2011 at 11:00pm

I used to not carry with a round in the chamber, thinking that someone would somehow get a hold of my gun and shoot me with it.  Having to work the slide would provide the needed delay, I thought.  But after considering it further, not having a round in the chamber kind of defeats the purpose, and your dog incident illustrates this.  Since part of my job in carrying is having complete responsibility over my weapon, having a round in the chamber should not be an issue.

 

The XR9-S, unlike some other pocket pistols, has a passive firing pin safety, so it will not go off when dropped - especially muzzle down onto concrete at 4 feet.  I have done some tests and found that if any pistol has a floating firing pin (found in hammer-operated guns) it will fire when dropped muzzle down on concrete if there is no firing pin safety.  I know of one particular brand of (expensive) pocket pistol that uses a very strong firing pin spring instead of a firing pin safety (apparently to save on cost).  The gun might as well have a weak firing pin spring (to reduce light strikes), because the strong spring has little effect on reducing primer dent when the gun is dropped.

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Permalink Reply by alternety on May 14, 2011 at 12:57am

Yes Arne, the passive safety for dropped weapons was a go/no-go decision point for entering my pre-order. I really don't want to carry a concealed weapon that does not prevent accidental discharge from being dropped. I consider that an essential safety feature. I think I am not going to be fond of the direction of operation of the thumb safety, but with the proper pocket holster protecting the trigger, I am willing to deal with carry, round in chamber, and manual safety off.

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Permalink Reply by Joseph Collins on August 18, 2011 at 1:06pm

Would it not be simpler to make the Boberg pistol as a striker fired pistol instead of hammer fired? Your trigger-hammer linkages are beautifully designed, but seem much more complex than a striker (spring powered firing pin).

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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on August 20, 2011 at 4:43pm

I didn't pursue striker firing since the Tongs got in the way.  Even if I did come up with a way, could you live with the strong recoil spring?  I just read about a concealed carry class instructor that said that 90% of his female students could not chamber a round in a G26.

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Permalink Reply by alternety on August 20, 2011 at 5:26pm

The ability of a weak hand (e.g., wife) to operate the slide is very important. An important criteria for my purchase.

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