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Arne,

 

I am just wanting to know.

 

I read here on the forum that the latest plans were to produce a batch of "production" guns in July and putting them through the ringer so to speak, for testing the final design and so forth.  I am on the list to get one of the original/full size models which I know will come some time after the "shorty" gets produced.   So anyway, what is the latest best guestimate when the first production guns might be shipped to customers?  Inquiring minds want to know LOL.  I know that this question is probably very 'old' to you and gets aggrevating.  I am patient and will wait my 'turn' so to speak.  I just like to be informed.  I have the good feeling that the early Bobergs's will NOT have some of the problems that the Rohrbaugh has had.  The video of shooting the gun while simulating 'limp wristing' was very impressive.

 

So, as of this moment, what is the expected time line for the first batch of shorties to be sent to customers?  The sooner the shorties are sent out means the sooner I can get one of the original full size models with that nice long barrel(higher muzzle velocity).

 

Thanks in advance,  Mikey

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Jesse W. PomeroyPermalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on November 20, 2011 at 11:40am

Hi Corey,

You could be correct, but I believe I sent a 1950 Marlin 39A from Metter, Ga. to Paduka, Ky. a few months ago via UPS for $15.00 (incld' insurance).

Maybe I was given a cheaper price because I'm very old, or very good looking?

Best Wishes,

Jesse

CWC said:

From my experience UPS is about $25-$30 more than usps because it can be shipped ground thru usps and has to be overnight via ups. I've never used fedex but I do know you can use second day air with them so it would be cheaper than ups but not near as cheap as usps ground.
Jesse W. PomeroyPermalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on November 20, 2011 at 11:46am

FWIW:

I don't know "how" the guns are shipped, but it could be they are sent via USPS "Priority Mail" because the boxes provided by the USPS are free, and the price is reasonable?

Maybe it's just a more simple process, rather than just less a expensive way to ship,for the Bobergs to be sent this way.  Saves the trouble of acquiring boxes and packing materials, etc. when none would be provided by a different shipper.

Just making conversation.


Jesse

 

Jesse W. PomeroyPermalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on November 20, 2011 at 3:06pm

And....

Maybe Arnie & crew are focused on MAKING new XR9-S's every available minute and changing the way the new guns are shipped might just slow down the numbers produced?

Or, I'd rather have MORE guns hitting the shipping trail, even by USPS, than less guns being shipped by any other method.

Jesse

alternetyPermalink Reply by alternety on November 20, 2011 at 3:59pm
I really don't think the shipping carrier makes much Boberg time/effort difference. It may actually lessen the impact of shipping. With an account, it is just a pickup. Both major carriers have a pretty user friendly approach to doing the paperwork for shippers. Granted the boxes are not free. But that does not seem like a meaningful cost (time, effort, COG) in the overall scheme of things.

I realize this is all new to Arne et al, but this is a simple change and involves perceived user satisfaction. User satisfaction beats a whole hand of unrelated aces. When selling direct one must meet the prevailing standard for online vendors (think Amazon, but a significant portion of every successful online retailer provides similar service). USPS is not, generally speaking, that standard. Based on emails I have received when purchased items are shipped, there are third party (quantum something) or components of the shipper's system which notify of shipping. Then the tracking number actually tracks the shipment unlike USPS. USPS sort of fills the same niche as Sears. They used to have the ultimate delivery system, but reverted to the pony express model. But for an incredibly stupid CEO, Sears could have been Amazon, instead of the horrific IT implementation/shipping/delivery/customer service/customer support/customer satisfaction/being able to spot the loading dock/etc. function that Sears has managed to develop from the greatest "online" order, delivery, product, maintenance, product information satisfaction of any company in the world until Amazon. Amazon had to develop the Sears infrastructure from scratch. Sorry about the rant, but the story of Sears is perhaps the most hideous example of corporate misunderstanding of reality and management incompetence in the modern world. And they are still pursuing this track.
Jesse W. PomeroyPermalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on November 20, 2011 at 4:48pm

alt:

After I retired from the FAA in 2000 I needed 4 quarters to have my 40 for Social Security (being a "double-dipper" is a good thing if it's YOU doing it, (lol) so I went to work (selling large appliances/strictly commission) at a Sears Retail Store..   Before I went to work for Sears I had always been a big Sears fan as when I was growing up it was basically the only mail order company my Grandmother (who raised me) knew existed.  In very little time my eyes were opened to gross incompetence,  rampant mismanagement, and my good opinion of Sears did a "one-eighty"..

Sears was a horrible place to work, they treated their employees terribly, and they were more concerned about checking all of the politically correct employee boxes (minority/female/etc) than having a competent work force and their hiring and firing practices were a joke. (I got MY job I believe because they could check the box for OLD PERSON). 

I got my 4 quarters and quit..  Now when I pass a Sears, on the way to Lowe's, I make the sign of the cross..

Jesse

 

alternety said:

I really don't think the shipping carrier makes much Boberg time/effort difference. It may actually lessen the impact of shipping. With an account, it is just a pickup. Both major carriers have a pretty user friendly approach to doing the paperwork for shippers. Granted the boxes are not free. But that does not seem like a meaningful cost (time, effort, COG) in the overall scheme of things.

I realize this is all new to Arne et al, but this is a simple change and involves perceived user satisfaction. User satisfaction beats a whole hand of unrelated aces. When selling direct one must meet the prevailing standard for online vendors (think Amazon, but a significant portion of every successful online retailer provides similar service). USPS is not, generally speaking, that standard. Based on emails I have received when purchased items are shipped, there are third party (quantum something) or components of the shipper's system which notify of shipping. Then the tracking number actually tracks the shipment unlike USPS. USPS sort of fills the same niche as Sears. They used to have the ultimate delivery system, but reverted to the pony express model. But for an incredibly stupid CEO, Sears could have been Amazon, instead of the horrific IT implementation/shipping/delivery/customer service/customer support/customer satisfaction/being able to spot the loading dock/etc. function that Sears has managed to develop from the greatest "online" order, delivery, product, maintenance, product information satisfaction of any company in the world until Amazon. Amazon had to develop the Sears infrastructure from scratch. Sorry about the rant, but the story of Sears is perhaps the most hideous example of corporate misunderstanding of reality and management incompetence in the modern world. And they are still pursuing this track.
Arne BobergPermalink Reply by Arne Boberg on November 20, 2011 at 5:01pm

We have gone through many shipping scenarios and both UPS and Fedex were $30 more than USPS - we just didn't want our customers paying that much more.

Jesse W. Pomeroy said:

JMOfartO:

 

Since I'm so far down the pre-order list I can't see light I hadn't thought of what shipping provider was being used, but it seems that USPS is providing that service, and as usual (in my experience) not doing the greatest job of it.  Well, maybe they're getting the pistol from the factory to the FFL transfer dealer just fine, but information about precisely "when" and "where" the pistol is while in transit is pretty much not available.


I have sent a few guns from one place or another this year, and UPS worked just fine for me.  I like having a tracking number that actually has timely information available along the way and it's easy to know when to expect delivery. 

 

Knowing  the precise day the pistol WILL be delivered to your FFL transfer dealer is a good thing. 

Since the shipping expense for the Boberg pistol is paid for by the BUYER I should think Arne and Boberg Arms wouldn't care a whit WHICH method is used, (USPS/UPS/FEDEX) so long as the guns actually are secure in transit, and are delivered to the customers representative in a timely manner.

Perhaps being so early in the process of actually having guns to ship Arne and Boberg Arms just "thought" using USPS would be the logical shipper, but perhaps after seeing customer complaints about USPS they might want to re-think which shipper to use?

I shouldn't think shipping guns via UPS or FEDEX would cost $5.00 more per gun than USPS, (give or take a buck or two), and I think EVERY person sitting on his/her hands waiting for the Boberg XR9-S to make it home to Pappa (or Mamma) after a long wait on the pre-order list would be more than willing to pay that difference IF it gave them reasonable in-transit shipping information.

Just knowing the precise day to expect delivery would be worth a few extra bucks in shipping expense to me.

Just my 2c worth.

 

Jesse

 

 

Jesse W. PomeroyPermalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on November 20, 2011 at 5:29pm

Well Arne,

I don't mind saving $30.00...  That'll buy me another box of Double-Tap. (lol)

But, fwiw, you do it however you need to do it.. I'll be a happy camper either way.

Thanks for the explanation.

Jesse

Arne Boberg said:

We have gone through many shipping scenarios and both UPS and Fedex were $30 more than USPS - we just didn't want our customers paying that much more.

Jesse W. Pomeroy said:

JMOfartO:

 

Since I'm so far down the pre-order list I can't see light I hadn't thought of what shipping provider was being used, but it seems that USPS is providing that service, and as usual (in my experience) not doing the greatest job of it.  Well, maybe they're getting the pistol from the factory to the FFL transfer dealer just fine, but information about precisely "when" and "where" the pistol is while in transit is pretty much not available.


I have sent a few guns from one place or another this year, and UPS worked just fine for me.  I like having a tracking number that actually has timely information available along the way and it's easy to know when to expect delivery. 

 

Knowing  the precise day the pistol WILL be delivered to your FFL transfer dealer is a good thing. 

Since the shipping expense for the Boberg pistol is paid for by the BUYER I should think Arne and Boberg Arms wouldn't care a whit WHICH method is used, (USPS/UPS/FEDEX) so long as the guns actually are secure in transit, and are delivered to the customers representative in a timely manner.

Perhaps being so early in the process of actually having guns to ship Arne and Boberg Arms just "thought" using USPS would be the logical shipper, but perhaps after seeing customer complaints about USPS they might want to re-think which shipper to use?

I shouldn't think shipping guns via UPS or FEDEX would cost $5.00 more per gun than USPS, (give or take a buck or two), and I think EVERY person sitting on his/her hands waiting for the Boberg XR9-S to make it home to Pappa (or Mamma) after a long wait on the pre-order list would be more than willing to pay that difference IF it gave them reasonable in-transit shipping information.

Just knowing the precise day to expect delivery would be worth a few extra bucks in shipping expense to me.

Just my 2c worth.

 

Jesse

 

 

CWCPermalink Reply by CWC on November 20, 2011 at 6:00pm

Jesse that's cause a 39A is a long gun and does not have to be shipped next day air like ALL hand guns do through UPS.  I bet you sent it ground for that kind of money.

corey

Jesse W. Pomeroy said:

Hi Corey,

You could be correct, but I believe I sent a 1950 Marlin 39A from Metter, Ga. to Paduka, Ky. a few months ago via UPS for $15.00 (incld' insurance).

Maybe I was given a cheaper price because I'm very old, or very good looking?

Best Wishes,

Jesse

CWC said:

From my experience UPS is about $25-$30 more than usps because it can be shipped ground thru usps and has to be overnight via ups. I've never used fedex but I do know you can use second day air with them so it would be cheaper than ups but not near as cheap as usps ground.
Jesse W. PomeroyPermalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on November 20, 2011 at 6:42pm

Hi Corey,

True..  I didn't realize UPS required next day air for handguns, as with the exception of the old 39A I had been shipping the pistols I sold via USPS Priority Mail because it was cheap and it wasn't a big deal to me how quickly it got to where it was going.. (I had advertised I would be shipping it that way in my Gunbroker Ads).

Thanks,

Jesse

CWC said:

Jesse that's cause a 39A is a long gun and does not have to be shipped next day air like ALL hand guns do through UPS.  I bet you sent it ground for that kind of money.

corey

CWCPermalink Reply by CWC on November 21, 2011 at 2:48am
I hope your ffl shipped those pistols for you usps. Big no no for us common folk to ship handguns by usps.
Jesse W. PomeroyPermalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on November 21, 2011 at 7:17am

Hi Again Corey,

Indeed he did..  I'm fortunate in that my local FFL dealer is also a personal friend, so all of my "inbounds" come thru him ($25.00 transfer fee), and all of my "outbounds" also go thru him as well. ($10.00 fee).  I'm paranoid about such things, so don't take any "short cuts" dealing with firearms, period.

In fact in Georgia selling a firearm "face to face" has very few requirements, but when I sell any firearm I make sure the buyer is of legal age, has a current picture ID Ga. Drivers License, and make two copies of the critical information..  One to the buyer, one for my little "Firearms Sold"  folder...

Additionally I have actually REFUSED to sell a firearm, more than once, to a person that for whatever reason didn't measure up to MY personal "warm and fuzzy" profile in some way after he showed up at my door with money in hand.   I ALWAYS err on the side of caution in such dealings.

I wanted to buy a fully automatic AK47 years ago and after checking into all of the potential "pit falls" associated with owning a fully automatic weapon I chickened out and bought a new SEMI-automatic SKS instead.. (lol)

But, I appreciate your bringing it to my attention anyway.. Perhaps another person here could benefit from it as well.

Thanks!

Jesse

CWC said:

I hope your ffl shipped those pistols for you usps. Big no no for us common folk to ship handguns by usps.
FloridaboyPermalink Reply by Floridaboy on November 21, 2011 at 3:25pm

Hi;

 I just recieved mine, it was in the batch that was shipped after Veterans Day. The serial number was under 100(barely). It took about a week for the USPS to deliver it.

I never let myself believe that I would actually receive one. Starting a new company has got to be hard. It is so nice to have it in hand. The pistol is very well built and the loading mechanism is really neat.

I hope Arne is able to keep cranking them out and build a company like Ruger did.

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