Laser compatibility
I've been following the development of the "Shorty" for a while now.
Curious if any discussions have been had with Crimson Trace about offering a laser for this pistol? There does not seem to be much space available under the dust cover for their Laserguard model, and I'm not sure if the grip panels are replaceable for a more traditional Laser grip model?
I'm a believer in lasers, and have them on all my defensive handguns (currently a Glock 19, 26, and a Ruger LCP). I've used ArmaLaser, Lasermax (the internal guide rod lasers) and Crimson Trace, and like the CT units the best, since they turn on by simply gripping the pistol.
I've been looking for a RELIABLE pocket 9mm pistol - I had two PM9's with numerous issues. The R9 is too expensive, and won't fire +P ammo. The rest are really too large for pocket carry.
I wish you best of luck bringing this to market!
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on -
You have identified our niche! As far as lasers are concerned, the XR9-L has space below the barrel, whereas the XR9-S does not. What I figured we would do is just go with laser grips to keep things consistent across all our SKUs. Our grips are removable, so it would be easy to install laser grips. However, finding someone at CTC who would be interested in working with us has been a challenge. I am sure that when Glock or Springfield contacts them, there is very little delay in their response. We are actively working on finding a way to get CTC onboard with us.
Creating our own laser grips is not an option since CTC has a very broad patent on this that is still in force. That is why you see companies putting lasers in other places, like on the sights...
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Permalink Reply by Flavio Bastiani on -
Thanks for the reply. I guess CT won't invest in developing Laser grips for the XR9 family until they see some units sold. Can't say I blame them.
Good to know the grip panels can be removed - that would be the simplest, and most elegant, solution. Hopefully CT can make them thin enough to be in keeping with the niche of the "Shorty."
Please please please...make this pistol reliable! From my own experience (rrrrr!) and that of others, there really does not seem to be a reliable pocket sized 9mm on the market. All the others are finicky in one way or another.
If this works as advertised, you'll sell all you can make.
Good luck!
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Permalink Reply by Robert Hylton on -
Been over a year since this thread has been commented on, so, any progress with CT on grips?
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on
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I submitted a recommendation on their website, but instead of them contacting us, they started spamming us, so I had to block CT. We have something else cooking...
Robert Hylton said:Been over a year since this thread has been commented on, so, any progress with CT on grips?
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Permalink Reply by PATRAT on
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Perhaps the line to take would be for CT to sell a component kit. From what I understand, when you buy components from a patent holder, you get a single use license for their patent to use that physical component set however you wish. Making it possible to use their working parts to make your own grip?
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on
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I like that idea, and don't know why I didn't think of it. The sticky part will probably be the warranty work, since the kit would be made by them, but we would ultimately be assembling them. I will have to look into this.
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Permalink Reply by PATRAT on
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Definitely get legal consult! I am going off of what I remember the CTO mad scientist at an old employer saying.
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Permalink Reply by Jethro on
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Maybe Laserlyte would make one similar to their product for the Ruger LCP. As a smaller company than Crimson Trace, maybe they'll "try harder." I too prefer my carry to have a laser.
http://laserlyte.com/New_Products/index.html?gclid=CMrc3rn6n6sCFYlM...
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on
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I plan on giving those guys a call.
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Permalink Reply by alternety on
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Arne,
I have sent an email asking (well OK, begging) them to work with you to make a sight.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Mossington on
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Arne - Just out of curiosity, what is the possibility that there will never be a laser for the XR9-s? The reason I ask, is that I deem a laser to be pretty important (at least for me) for a small "pocket size" defensive handgun. I am certainly hoping that there will be a laser option in the near future. What is your level of commitment to seeing that a laser is available? By the way, I much prefer a grip laser. It looks like a trigger guard style laser would be out of the question for the XR9-s, so a grip laser would probably be the way to go. I find that the grip style tends to hold zero better.
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on
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Never is a strong word. Think of all the years Kahr went without having a laser. That was then and this is now. My original goal was to have a laser under the barrel of the XR9-L, but instead went forward with the Shorty, which has very little space in that area. That leaves a few other options: a laser in the rear sight, laser on the side, or laser on the grips (unless someone can come up with another one). To have a laser option that would fit all of our XR9-series pistols, these are the three options. Under the barrel would only work for the longer pistols. I am currently in discussion with a laser manufacturer as to which option to pursue. If none of the options are practical, then we still have Y2015 when the CTC patent expires. Expect a lot of competition to come out then. Their subsequent patents are cool, but not as exclusive as their first.
In the meanwhile, the "large stone gate" of CTC may open up if they think they can sell a lot of lasers for XR9 pistols.
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