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I am anticipating the availability for sale of the Boberg XR9-S pistol being produce as it seems similar in size to the Kahr PM-9 however what would make this pistol perfect would be the ability to put a green laser on it for increase accuracy.
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on -
Because we are launching the XR9-S (Shorty) first, we will likely work toward a relationship with a lasergrip manufacturer rather than designing our own laser/switching system. That way, you have product support/spare parts from laser experts.
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Permalink Reply by Lefty on -
I hope that a quality laser (initials CT) will complete this personal defense solution and finally surpass my lasered S&W 640PD snubbie revolver. Green? Not necessary, given the reality of personal defense situations. (But fun for the range, granted!)
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Permalink Reply by riffraff on -
I must disagree,
There lots of folks who have some degree of 'color blindness'. I for one can't see the red lasers very well AT ALL. The green lasers however, are far, far superior to the red. No searching for the 'dot' with the green lasers. The green lasers are better than the red ones by a HUGH margin. My Opinions Only.
Mike
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Permalink Reply by Lefty on
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Sorry, hadn't thought of that, just as many don't think of the needs of left-handed shooters (like myself). I wonder why CT hasn't created the green option on their existing grips - is it a different, larger technology? However, it shouldn't be hard to make the dot blink for recognizability, like LaserMax does - would that help? CT doesn't do that either. Maybe blinking is LaserMax proprietary.
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Permalink Reply by Raymond on
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I would love to see a laser added. If you can work with a laser company to support selling lasers with multiple toggle modes and a choice of colors, that would be great too. Let someone pick red, green, blue, infrared and have a toggle for slow pulse, fast pulse, steady, make a star shape, etc.
The Kahr PM9 with the integrated laser trigger guard under the barrel appears nice, is there a possibility for something like this with the XR9-S?
http://www.kahr.com/KA-3.html#pm9093L
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on
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The last time I talked to CTC, a rep at SHOT told me that they were no longer doing these "custom" jobs. The context of the conversation was the trigger guard laser they had designed and built for the G26 that appeared in a major gun magazine a number of years ago. Apparantly, the management at CTC has changed. So far, CTC has been a tough nut to crack. I need to find who's in charge and maybe make a deal on the golf course (if that's what he's in to). They are probably experiencing record sales right now and have little incentive to work with a start-up gun company at this point. As far as XR9 lasers, other options are being considered.
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Permalink Reply by Raymond on
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Arne,
Is there some reason you cannot purchase your own stock of laser pens and retrofit the laser elements into a trigger guard pointer on your own?
Arne Boberg said:The last time I talked to CTC, a rep at SHOT told me that they were no longer doing these "custom" jobs. The context of the conversation was the trigger guard laser they had designed and built for the G26 that appeared in a major gun magazine a number of years ago. Apparantly, the management at CTC has changed. So far, CTC has been a tough nut to crack. I need to find who's in charge and maybe make a deal on the golf course (if that's what he's in to). They are probably experiencing record sales right now and have little incentive to work with a start-up gun company at this point. As far as XR9 lasers, other options are being considered.
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on
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There's no reason why I couldn't do it, it is probably a question of should I do it. While I have seen the CTC patent with the laser on the G26 as I previously described, and there might be a way to do it without infringement, these devices are quite intricate and must withstand very high shock loads. If I did create a gun-mounted laser device, there would likely be a lot of time, cost and de-bug in "re-inventing the wheel". It would be much better to partner with someone already in the business.
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Permalink Reply by k12brickman on
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It seems silly to reinvent the wheel, CTC and Lasermax spend lots on development to get their products where they are, this is a good example of when to outsource. Having said this, I like well integrated components. The CTC Laser guard design has two flaws in my view. The large trigger guard strap seems bulky, and the large area for the batteries also adds bulk. In light of CTC not wanting to do custom stuff, maybe a call to some of the other compact gun manufacturers and CTC/LaserMax would be helpful to design a standard feature on the front of the trigger guard and under the front of the frame to allow a standard laser sight to be mounted. Similar to a picatinny rail, only smaller, more discrete just for compact pistols. This reduces cost since a single sight could be made for many gun models. Doing some redesign on the gun, add a battery holder in the grip covers with wire traces routed through the frame to two vertical pinholes under the barrel for battery connections. The result is a low cost, very small, tightly integrated and firmly mounted laser sight.
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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on
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I agree - the more integrated, the better. CTC had to do a lot of work to create a "band-aided" add-on for the G17 - CTC had lasers on other guns years before they finally got one on Glock. My original XR9-L design had a space right below the barrel for a laser. With the XR9-S, there is no longer that space, nor is there very little space in front of the trigger guard. A CTC grip laser may be the answer for "shorty-type" guns. As far the the XR9-L, the picatinny I had shown on the Gen 6 model really didn't fit any standard accessories (due to it being too short). Before going to market with the XR9-L, I need to consider what to do with this space - if I want to bring back some type of rail, and if I can work with a laser manufacturer to get a frame-mounted laser integrated in the gun. For now, the CAD images of the XR9-L show that whole area trimmed away. This design is still in flux and is open to suggestions. Here is the link to the XR9-L profile overlay album: http://www.bobergarms.com/photo/albums/xr9l-long-overlays
k12brickman said:It seems silly to reinvent the wheel, CTC and Lasermax spend lots on development to get their products where they are, this is a good example of when to outsource. Having said this, I like well integrated components. The CTC Laser guard design has two flaws in my view. The large trigger guard strap seems bulky, and the large area for the batteries also adds bulk. In light of CTC not wanting to do custom stuff, maybe a call to some of the other compact gun manufacturers and CTC/LaserMax would be helpful to design a standard feature on the front of the trigger guard and under the front of the frame to allow a standard laser sight to be mounted. Similar to a picatinny rail, only smaller, more discrete just for compact pistols. This reduces cost since a single sight could be made for many gun models. Doing some redesign on the gun, add a battery holder in the grip covers with wire traces routed through the frame to two vertical pinholes under the barrel for battery connections. The result is a low cost, very small, tightly integrated and firmly mounted laser sight.
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Permalink Reply by Rosendo Velez on
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Arne Boberg said:Because we are launching the XR9-S (Shorty) first, we will likely work toward a relationship with a lasergrip manufacturer rather than designing our own laser/switching system. That way, you have product support/spare parts from laser experts.
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Permalink Reply by Ed on
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e-mail correspondence from Crimson Trace in response to a request for a "solution", not necessarily a laser equipped grip:
Dear ****
Thank you for your inquiry.
At this time Crimson Trace does not produce a Lasergrip to fit the Boberg Arms, However we do get periodic requests for this model, and we are continually adding new Lasergrip models to our product line based on customer demand.
We do record "Future Model Requests" and submit our findings to our design team quarterly for review. We encourage you to add your vote to what you would like to see Crimson Trace develop in the future, please use our "Future Model Request" form located here: http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Support/RequestNewModels/tabid/170...You can bookmark our website www.crimsontrace.com and check in periodically for updates on our latest product releases. If you would like to have a copy of our latest product catalog sent to you with a copy of our "5 Things Every Handgun Owner Should Know" report, please use our Brochure Request Form found here: http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/GetACatalog/tabid/265/Default.aspx
If we can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to let us know!
Best regards,Erin Eaton
Crimson Trace Corporation
9780 SW Freeman Dr
Wilsonville, OR 97070
800-442-2406
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