Failure to Feed- Gold Dot 124 Gr+P!!

So here's the scenario. I have had about 200 rounds through this gun with only the very new gun glitch when chambering the first round from the magazine. This became a non-issue after a few magazines and some experience. The gun now chambers the first round normally and no other failures to feed with a bunch of different ammo, hollowpoint( including normal pressure Gold Dots) and FMJ. In that first range session, I didn't have any +P to shoot. The gun was thoroughly cleaned and lubed as per the manual after that first session.

At my second session, I had some Magtech, some WWB and 2 boxes( 50 ea.) of Gold Dot 124 Gr. +P. I bought a couple boxes of GD 124 gr +P and figured this would probably be my carry ammo after it passed this first round of testing and then another dozen boxes. All the FMJ worked great before and after the other two FTFeeds. The first failure came about 40 rounds into the session. I had shot some FMJ and a couple of mags of the +P. I then tried to empty one mag at full speed and 3 or 4 rounds into the rapid fire test, one jammed it was pointing slightly too far upwards to enter the barrel and responded to a good whack on the back of the slide.

The second was actually witnessed by one of the range officers. My gun was grouping about 2 inches low at 7 yds so I asked him to watch to see if I was doing anything wrong with this particular gun. He said my form was good, but agian about 4 or 5 rounds into the mag, this time with very slow aimed fire I had one FTFeed, which also responded to a whck on the back.

Before accepting his decision that the gun was indeed shooting low I insisted he shoot 5 rounds. He proceeded to put 4shots into a group that could be covered by a quarter with one outlier. His shots were also low by 2inches.

So to summarize.

1. Two FTFeeds out of 100 Gold DOt +P's with a pretty clean gun. Shot another 150 or so FMJ's no problem. Thoughts?

2. Gun shooting 2" low at 7 yds with at least 6 different types of ammo. Is there a fix or should I settle for just aiming a bit higher? I realize that 2 inches at 7 yds doesn't matter much with a CCW.

Thanks!

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Permalink Reply by Kirk F. Davis on February 6, 2012 at 10:21pm

That's a bummer for sure as Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P is some of the best ammo out there. Not good news at all as I had also planned to use this as carry ammo.

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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on February 7, 2012 at 6:57am

If the slide stopped, I'm curious as to what position it stopped in. If the cartridge stopped while being too far upwards (I've seen this with wadcutters), then there is some customizing I can do with your barrel to address this.

As far as grouping - we have a .010" lower front sight available.

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Permalink Reply by Brokedoc on February 7, 2012 at 8:02am

Many of the pics of targets that I've seen and most of the comments that I've read show users grouping a little low. Perhaps Bobergs should be shipped with the lower sight as standard?

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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on February 7, 2012 at 9:03am

The new standard sight is .010" lower.

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Permalink Reply by Brokedoc on February 7, 2012 at 9:24am

That's what I love about Boberg Arms...

You guys listen to feedback and proactively respond to issues.

With other gun shops, our comments whould have fallen on deaf ears but you want to continually improve your product and improve the customer experience.

Hats off to you, Arne!

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Permalink Reply by Larry on February 7, 2012 at 12:50pm

Hey Arnie... # 96 here, ...:)

Ditto on the shooting low, I can adjust the to the right, but I need your mod to correct the height... about 6 in low at approx 21 ft....do you want me to contact the office ?

Arne Boberg said:

The new standard sight is .010" lower.

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Permalink Reply by bbrkc on February 7, 2012 at 4:37pm

Arne, what is the difference in height between the front and rear sight? Is the best place to measure mine off the top of the slide? Thanks

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Permalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on February 7, 2012 at 6:00pm

Hey "early getters".... Keep on finding the glitches that are your reward for getting an early XR9-S and in the process are doing "beta-testing" for Arne.. Those poor souls further down the waiting list (and I number myself among them) appreciate the fact that hopefully be the time our names rise to the top our Bobergs will be PURRRRRR-FECT!

"Preciate it".... (lol)

Jesse

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Permalink Reply by Kayaker on February 7, 2012 at 6:29pm

Jesse,

Our reward is that we are having fun shooting these wonderful guns, while you guys down the list are just dreaming. :-)

The "glitches" are really quite minor and not unexpected. If a problem happens .001% of the time, you can't recognize it until until there are many guns in the field. Early adopters are always in some ways beta- testers, and that is a role we don't mind or we wouldn't be early adopters. I am not sure that I would want to be an early adopter of a new parachute design, but nothing says I have to make this gun my CCW just yet. But soon it will be.

Dave

P.S. If you are in the neighborhood and you ask nicely, I'll let you shoot mine. :-)

Jesse W. Pomeroy said:

Hey "early getters".... Keep on finding the glitches that are your reward for getting an early XR9-S and in the process are doing "beta-testing" for Arne.. Those poor souls further down the waiting list (and I number myself among them) appreciate the fact that hopefully be the time our names rise to the top our Bobergs will be PURRRRRR-FECT!

"Preciate it".... (lol)

Jesse

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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on February 7, 2012 at 8:32pm

Yes - send me an e-mail and I will forward to shipping. arne@bobergarms.com

Larry said:

Hey Arnie... # 96 here, ...:)

Ditto on the shooting low, I can adjust the to the right, but I need your mod to correct the height... about 6 in low at approx 21 ft....do you want me to contact the office ?

Arne Boberg said:

The new standard sight is .010" lower.

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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on February 7, 2012 at 8:33pm

Yes, the height off the top of the slide is the best way to do it.

bbrkc said:

Arne, what is the difference in height between the front and rear sight? Is the best place to measure mine off the top of the slide? Thanks

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Permalink Reply by Jesse W. Pomeroy on February 8, 2012 at 7:56am

Kayaker:

First let me say that IF Arne called me today and asked if I wanted my XR9-S IMMEDIATELY, then I'd say "yes sir", ship it to Georgia!

I would do that KNOWING that chances are there are still some minor bugs yet to be found, and I would, willingly, (as you are doing now) become a "beta-tester" for Arne, as you are, and so are all of the other XR9-S owners at this point.

Never said I wouldn't be extremely happy for the chance to beta-test MY Boberg. I've done that very job before, several times on other guns, and I would expect it with any new model pistol, (or car, etc)..

Stop and think a minute tho... Since the first gun was shipped we have discovered several things that needed "fixin".. Remember the white dots on the front sights falling off? Or the front sight itself falling off? I think Arne mentioned a change in the grip screws, and now some folks are needing a lower front sight to correct for a low shooting XR9-S.. I think the original trigger spring weight started out at 5.5lbs? Then I think the standard now is 7.5lbs, with an optional 9.5? I can't remember each and every "bug" that has been found, but I remember that in every case Arne was quick to respond with a fix, and that fix, whatever it was, cost the gun owner absolutely ZERO..

I was being a smart ass with my original post, but I certainly didn't mean to offend any present owners with my comments. Those of us still "back in line" have to find some humor in our circumstance, and taking casual shots at you folks who already have YOUR Bobergs, and who are finding the bugs in the new guns, offers just a tad of comfort..

I appreciate the offer to let me shoot your Boberg, if I were in your neighborhood, but I'm thinking your neighborhood and MY neighborhood not close enough to allow that to happen. (I live in S.E. Ga)

But IF I were in your "neighborhood" I'd certainly take you up on the offer.

One of my original reservations about getting on the Boberg buyers list WAS that the XR9-S IS a brand new, "different" 9MM pistol. My personal history of buying the "first series" gun has shown me that it is inevitable that minor bugs will be detected by new owners, and corrections made so that later guns won't have those problems.

But, my name being several hundred names down the list will enable, and insure, YOU and the other folks who get (got) their XR9-S ahead of me will do the "finding", Arne will do the "correcting", and hopefully when my higher serial number Boberg is shipped via mule train to Metter Georgia it'll be pretty much bug-free..

And, that's about all the comfort I can squeeze out of having to wait so long for MY XR9-S... (lol)

Best Wishes,

Jesse

Kayaker said:

Jesse,

Our reward is that we are having fun shooting these wonderful guns, while you guys down the list are just dreaming. :-)

The "glitches" are really quite minor and not unexpected. If a problem happens .001% of the time, you can't recognize it until until there are many guns in the field. Early adopters are always in some ways beta- testers, and that is a role we don't mind or we wouldn't be early adopters. I am not sure that I would want to be an early adopter of a new parachute design, but nothing says I have to make this gun my CCW just yet. But soon it will be.

Dave

P.S. If you are in the neighborhood and you ask nicely, I'll let you shoot mine. :-)