does the boberg pistols fire +p+ rounds ?

I know they can fire +p, but how about +p+ ?

▶ Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

Permalink Reply by alternety on November 3, 2011 at 6:21pm

How many times?

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Paris Caldwell on November 3, 2011 at 8:00pm

At least once. :D

Seriously though, if you're talking about that Winchester Ranger stuff, it's probably fine used sparingly. I wouldn't worry too much, but there's little point in the extra wear, tear, and battering.

If, however, you mean the Hirtenberger (L7A1) or Israeli submachinegun ammo, NO WAY!!! That stuff was meant for overbuilt subguns in cold weather. Virtually no handguns can take much of that stuff, and many will start "letting go" after less than 20 or just kaboom on the first one. Never EVER fire that stuff in anything other than an Uzi or similar. It's stronger than some proof loads. Seriously, like 55K+ psi.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Paris Caldwell on November 3, 2011 at 10:56pm

Wow! Two things:

First, the website says their ammo is all standard pressure (which looks right given the energy levels), so you don't have any worries there. Second, they achieve those velocity numbers by using superlight bullets. It makes for some sweet numbers (velocity and power) but the penetration generally comes up short with that sort of thing. Their site says 10" penetration, but the ballistic gelatin photos look more like 8". Either way, the FBI recommendation is at least 12" of penetration in gel, probably for good reason.

If it floats your boat, go for it. But, I'd recommend staying away from the "gee whiz!" stuff like that. It may hit "hard", but it also hits "shallow", if that makes any sense to you. Power and velocity are a long way from the whole equation.

EDIT: But, yeah, those things are smoking fast. Neato.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by jimmyd on November 4, 2011 at 8:33am

Read page 4 of Boberg manual....

Never use ammunition where the pressure levels exceed

industry standards. Boberg XR9 pistols are manufactured from high

quality material. However, +P+ cartridges – whose pressure often exceed

even factory proof-test levels – should never be used in your pistol. All

warranties, expressed or implied, are voided and Boberg Arms

Corporation will not be liable for property damage or personal injury and

consequential damages, if +P+ ammunition is used in Boberg XR9 pistols.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on November 4, 2011 at 6:49pm

I have personally fired a few boxes of +P+ ammo through the XR9-S that I carry. The locking lugs on the barrel are getting pretty hammered, even though the gun still works fine. It is not such a huge deal for me since I can drop in a new barrel for factory cost, but it will cost more for our customers to replace their barrels if they have hammered the heck out of them with ammo that "has no limits" on pressure.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on November 4, 2011 at 6:51pm

I don't carry the "gee whiz" ammo - I just use it for testing. I carry Black Hills +P - either 115 or 124 JHP.

Paris Caldwell said:

Wow! Two things:

First, the website says their ammo is all standard pressure (which looks right given the energy levels), so you don't have any worries there. Second, they achieve those velocity numbers by using superlight bullets. It makes for some sweet numbers (velocity and power) but the penetration generally comes up short with that sort of thing. Their site says 10" penetration, but the ballistic gelatin photos look more like 8". Either way, the FBI recommendation is at least 12" of penetration in gel, probably for good reason.

If it floats your boat, go for it. But, I'd recommend staying away from the "gee whiz!" stuff like that. It may hit "hard", but it also hits "shallow", if that makes any sense to you. Power and velocity are a long way from the whole equation.

EDIT: But, yeah, those things are smoking fast. Neato.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on November 4, 2011 at 6:55pm

I used that Hirtenberger extensively in the Gen 7 XR9-L pistol - it was about 500 FPE, and has been the deepest penetrating FMJ I have used (in birch plywood). Unfortunately, it seems that I can't buy that stuff any more - it is good for testing and for proof rounds. I must say though, there must be some freaky pressures in that stuff since I actually FELT some serious recoil with it in the XR9-L. It kind of sounded like a rifle shot.

Paris Caldwell said:

At least once. :D

Seriously though, if you're talking about that Winchester Ranger stuff, it's probably fine used sparingly. I wouldn't worry too much, but there's little point in the extra wear, tear, and battering.

If, however, you mean the Hirtenberger (L7A1) or Israeli submachinegun ammo, NO WAY!!! That stuff was meant for overbuilt subguns in cold weather. Virtually no handguns can take much of that stuff, and many will start "letting go" after less than 20 or just kaboom on the first one. Never EVER fire that stuff in anything other than an Uzi or similar. It's stronger than some proof loads. Seriously, like 55K+ psi.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by BretShooter on November 4, 2011 at 7:22pm

Doesn't the cam get worn as well?

Arne Boberg said:

I have personally fired a few boxes of +P+ ammo through the XR9-S that I carry. The locking lugs on the barrel are getting pretty hammered, even though the gun still works fine.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on November 6, 2011 at 8:11am

No - the cam doesn't get worn, but the unlock lug on the barrel can get beat up.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by William.Stinson on January 9, 2012 at 2:54am

Arne - I have 3 boxes of the Hirtenburger L7A1 ammo available if you need it.

Regards,

Bill

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on January 9, 2012 at 11:05am

Send me a PM to arne@bobergarms.com and we can talk about it.

▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by WindsorFox on January 23, 2012 at 11:15am

I plan to carry the Cor Bon DPX +P that I carry in my Glock 26. I've read that it is one of several 9mm rounds that has ballistics and penetration very similar to a .45. Any thoughts?