45 GAP Boberg?

Since 10% of the State Police agencies in the US are now carrying sidearms chambered in 45 GAP - and I expect numerous other law enforcement agencies at the local and county level (since Glock is making a change to the cartridge/firearm model very attractive) -- how about a Boberg pocket pistol chambered in 45 GAP?

I know -- I was a staunch "who needs it, the 45 ACP is fine" guys...before I shot a Glock G39.

The OAL of the 45 GAP catridge is actually slightly shorter than the 9mm Para -- so the design and overall footprint of the pistol would involve few changes. The pressure of the cartridge is no issue.

Since I will be carrying a Glock G37 Gen 4 as a duty sidearm occasionaly in the near future, I would very much like to have a true pocket sized pistol in 45 GAP for a back-up. I like my G39s as CCWs for IWB carry -- but if Arne could do something in 45 GAP in comparison to the Glock G39 as he has been able to do with the XR9 in comparison to the Glock G26, I'll put a pre-order request in RIGHT NOW for one!

Arne -- seriously, give the 45 GAP some thought!

Thanks,

Bill

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Permalink Reply by mur.cap on April 11, 2012 at 11:41am

The CTC laser lens is just above the grip (grip "grabbing area" that is) on the revolver I have on the right side. It doesn't "jut-out" that much. I see the newer CTC models have a "tubular" design that's a bit different than my older one which is basically "molded" into the grip (a bit more than the newer version) and sits just above the hand where it fits very well. Keeping in mind the Shorty is basically flat, it has less "nooks and crannies" that the revolver has to "hide" or fit the lens into. But there is a small area on the left side where a laser lens could sit. Possibly, these laser style grips could be tested by forming them via a clay mold. I look forward to seeing any design in that regard.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Harrington on April 11, 2012 at 12:02pm

Arne,

The right side laser location is positioned so the laser is clear when the weapon is ready to fire. Thus the laser on the CTC, is high up on the right side grip.

Left side laser would seem OK, for a right hand shooter, but it will depend on how you grip the weapon, right?

With the two thumbs forward shooting technique on the left side, the thumbs placement may interfere with a left mounted laser sight when firing. So I see issues with left side laser. I guess this depends on the individual grip and the size of the hands being used on the XR series.

Other laser options, have rail type attachments are forward of the trigger guard, the sight mounted lasers, and a laser that is integrated into the guide rod and spring assembly.

Laserlyte now has a frame mounted laser that goes above the grip - http://www.laserlyte.com/products/ck-amf,

or the Laserlyte RSL - which replaces the rear dove tail sights, http://www.laserlyte.com/products/rtb-xd

Lasermax has the Sabre laser which is behind the grip, https://www.lasermax.com/Products/FrameMountedLasers.aspx

Lasermax has a guide rod laser, https://www.lasermax.com/Products/GuideRodLasers.aspx

These other choices might be better than a left side laser.

I like the idea of lasers. I have the factory built in laser on the SW Bodyguard 380, seldom used, but there if I want it. And the factory SW laser does not affect the grip of the weapon. On my Kimber Solo I think the CTC laser makes a already small Solo grip, even more crowded, so I decided against it. I might change my mind if I am one day able to acquire an extended magazine for the Solo. Solo height is 3.9", so I want a clean hold on the grip, and without the control on/off bump of the CTC device affecting the grip. Another Solo owner might think I am wrong. But, it's an individual decision.

MH

Arne Boberg said:

I'm thinking the only tradeoff is that most people carry on the right side, and that a left-side laser will be poking in a little bit.

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Permalink Reply by mur.cap on April 11, 2012 at 2:28pm

I always liked the guiderod lasers. I don't know if Arne can squeeze that one into the Shorty because it has a very small guide rod. How would it be "activated" from outside on such a compact pistol? The "thumb" issue isn't a problem for me, nor most people if they can keep their thumbs down in a proper hold. (Usually one thumb pushes the other...which thumb is your choice). I guess that issue arises with hand size vs. handgun size, which is why we all have different size pistols which we are capable of operating properly and safely. Nice choice of lasers on these websites though.

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Permalink Reply by PATRAT on April 11, 2012 at 5:07pm

The frame is slimmed down at the trigger guard, having one that is movable left to right, you could accommodate either hand shooter and still fit within the profile of the pistol without protruding; by mounting it beside the trigger.

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Permalink Reply by Arne Boberg on April 11, 2012 at 5:15pm

That is a good spot for a laser. We have actually considered that.

PATRAT said:

The frame is slimmed down at the trigger guard, having one that is movable left to right, you could accommodate either hand shooter and still fit within the profile of the pistol without protruding; by mounting it beside the trigger.

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Permalink Reply by mur.cap on April 11, 2012 at 5:18pm

Slimmed-down meaning the Shorty guard is presently "slimmed" sufficiently to add an outside laser component? It would have to be layed-out in some type of graphic to really get that image. The most compact arrangement would be a laser contained in a grip with the lens outside as far to the top of the grip (away from thumbs as possible) and also keep the attractiveness of the contours and the design of the XR9-S. "Looks-wise" we wouldn't want to take a "silk purse" and turn it into a "sow's ear."